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31#

发烧38度 在 2004-6-28 11:15:34 发表的内容
已下载了,谢谢ercifdai兄。给我密码吧

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32#

要7308的朋友快去看看:
Amperex7308/E188cc六十年代美产,大除气环,成色好,190元一对包邮
http://www.bbs01.com/add.php?forum=3&titid=150772&replyid=150772&style=0
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33#

fever兄:
上次肥胆兄到我家听过用TFK的ecc83,在我的机器上,和黄字大盾搭配。味道和厚度确实胜过RCA black plate tirple mica 5751.
但5751高频很甜美,味道厚度和音场差了一些。
后来Sylvania yellow logoblack plate tirple mica 5751 .date code 5648D/312E(56年48周星期四,312E是Sylvania 的编号),和RCA比中频厚很多,高频不但甜美而且延伸好,音场也好一些,其他相当。
我还是认为,除了没有Mullard和TFK的特殊味道外,其他的应该不输。

Fever兄所提的更高型号Sylvania GB triple mica gray plate gold pins 5751,是否60年代产品(有些只有金标没有金脚的为政府或民用定制的印有JHS,CAA等标志的),我这支还没有extra suport rod(后期为了减少microphone 效应加的两根钢柱),是否应该更早期啊。
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34#

fever 在 2003-12-10 23:17:31 发表的内容
ericfdai 在 2003-12-10 11:22:40 发表的内容
前几天在小付那里买的全新红字黑屏RCA 5751(Command系列)已到手。
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结果不是三云母和方环的。但声音还不错。
Fever兄:
不知这对RCA  Command 系列的5751 是什么档次啊。
昨天在网上又订了一只二手的 Sylvania 5751 黑屏,三云母,方环,现在等货中。

三只 IEC Mullard 的 12au7已到,管子确实很新(参数分别是:110/110;104/109;94/106).初步试听后,觉得确实没有黄字 Mullard的好.不过比EH的中频要好的多,一分价钱一分货啊!



ericfdai  兄,你那對 RCA  5751  是 『黑屏』 系列中最低檔的,待你的 SYLVANIA  5751,記着一定要是 『黃字』 『閃電嘜』 『黑屏』 『三雲母』 『方環』才是最好的 SYLVANIA  5751,配上 MULLARD  『黃字』 12AU7  那才精彩呢。




回头看看以前的帖子,回顾自己学习的进步的历程,真实感慨万千啊!

至今才找到Fever兄所提的Sylvania 5751,还是他最好。
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35#

Dr.PAN:

不用客气,互相帮助和学习是应该的。
其实我也是在Fever兄的指点和帮助下慢慢入门的。
很庆幸坛子里有向Fever兄这样的良师益友,无私的奉献着自己的多年经验。
很值得我们学习呀!
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36#

美国胆管的厂牌年期的鉴别

These are codes often seen stamped on components found in US made vintage tube equipment. This list is circa 1955, and some codes have been reassigned or added since that time.

Code formats were not completely standardized, but a little deciphering will generally yield the info of interest. Note that many makers also stamped OEM (Original Eqipment Manufacturer) part numbers above or below the EIA code, in some cases parts makers or the customer elected not to include the EIA codes, so not all parts have them.

They generally follow the following format: (example)

322 5904

where 322 is the manufacturer code (in this case Tungsol), 59 is the year (1959), and 04 is the week.

One alternate scheme is:

274 940

274 is the EIA code (RCA) 9 is the last digit of the year (in this case 1949). Usually single digit date codes are from the 1940's, but have on occasion shown up in later decades, even up to the 1970's. If one has a general idea of the age of the piece in question, usually the decade can be divined from that.

Another alternate is in the format following:

188-5 69 32

188 is General Electric. 5 is the plant code (in this case, Owensboro, Kentucky). 69 32 is 1969, 32nd week.

And another is like this:

322 6104-1

322 is Tungsol, 6104 is 1961, 4th week, 1 is the shift code (1 would probably be the day shift)

After about 1960, many tube manufacturers went to encrypted alphabetical date codes., such as:

KE

188-5

The reason was purportedly to allow factories to track the dates of manufacture of defective tubes (especially important in the case of OEM customers that might send back entire batches of tubes), but avoid possible consumer complaints about "stale" tubes. This sounds perhaps a little silly since the shelf life of tubes is decades, at least (indefinite in practical terms), but some OEM's might have beenn a bit irritated by occasional consumer complaints such as "my 1961 model TV has 1959 model tubes in it!"

Tubes made for the US military, or certain OEMs (such as some test equipment manufacturers) that requested it, continued to carry numerical date codes.

In years past, EIA (Electronic Industries Association) also went by the name of RETMA, and the original acronym of RMA (Radio Manufacturer's Association).
EIA Code Lists for:
Tubes
Capacitors
Transformers
Potentiometers (controls) & Resistors
Speakers
Other Manufacturers
  Tubes and CRT's EIA code
Amperex (USA)  111
Bendix 125
DuMont 158
Eimac (Eitel-McCullough, Inc) 162
Electronic Tube Corp 169
General Electric Co (USA) 188
Hytron (CBS-Hytron) 210
Machlett 231
RCA (Radio Corp of America) 274
Raytheon 280
Superior Tube Co 310
Sylvania (Hygrade Sylvania Corp) 312
Tung-Sol 322
United Electronics 323
Western Electric 336
Westinghouse 337
Zenith Radio Corp (CRT's) 343
Nortn American Philips Corp 423
Taylor (aka Cetron-Taylor) 713
Lewis & Kaufman 738
National Electronics (also Cetron) 749
Penta Laboratories 771
Vacuum Tube Products 781
Varian Associates 809
Litton Industries 879
Electrons, Inc 935
Capacitors EIA code
Aerovox Corp 102
American Condensor  109
Centralab 134
Chicago Condensor 135
Aerovox Hi-Q Division 163
John E Fast 178
General Electric 188
Mallory 235
Micamold 240
Millen 242
Radio Condensor Company 273
Solar 296
Sprague 303
Gudeman 438
Good-All 446
Barker & Wiiliamson 461
Pyramid 472
United Condensor  516
Electrical Utilities Corp 569
Illinois Capacitor (Condensor) 616
American Radionic 648
Sangamo 658
Ajax 705
Standard Condensor  710
RMC (Radio Materials Corp) 732
Condensor Manufacturers 885
Transformers & Coils EIA code
Stancor (Chicago-Standard) 138
Coil Engineering 141
Ensign Coil 172
Freed  183
General Radio 194
Jefferson Electric 218
Thordarsen-Meissner 238
Merit Coil & Transformer 239
Standard Coil 305
Essex (Transformer Division) 352
New York Transformer 366
Altec Lansing-Peerless 391
Foster Transformer 394
General Transformer 412
United Transformer Corp (UTC) 418
Radio-Television Products Corp 489
Empire Coil 452
Caledonia 503
Triwec Transformer 524
Midwest Coil & Transformer 549
Standard Winding Co 550
F & V Coil Winding 572
Woodward-Schumacher 606
Central Coil 637
Electrical Windings 682
Grand Transformers 757
Forest Electric 773
Ogden Coil & Transformer 776
Triad  830
Better Coil & Transformer 831
Acro Products (Acrosound) 878
Mohawk 883
American Transformer 892
Tresco 897
Coilcraft 906
Aerocoil 908
Acme Coil & Transformer 928
Magnetic Coil Mfring 933
Northlake 1005
Pacific 1052

  Resistor & Potentiometers EIA code
Allen-Bradley 106
Centralab 134
CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply) 137
Clarostat 140
Erie 173
IRC (International Resistance Co) 214
Mallory 235
Muter 244
Ohmite 251
Speer 300
Stackpole 304
Ward Leonard 532
Milwaukee Resistor 722
Dale 816
Atlas 932
Speakers (Drivers only, not cabinets) EIA Code
CTS (Chicago Telephone Supply) 137
Jensen 220
Magnavox 232
DuKane (Operadio Corp) 252
Quam (Quam-Nichols) 270
Rola 285
Utah 328
Western Electric 336
Altec Lansing Corp 391
North American Philips (Norelco) 423
Oxford  465
Waldom Electronics 555
Electro-Voice 649
Russell Speaker Co 748
Quincy Speaker Mfr Corp 767
Klipsch 843
University 847
Oaktron 934


Other commonly seen manufacturers
  Company Product Code
Admiral Corp TV's, Radios 101
Alpha Wire 733
Amphenol Sockets, plugs 554
ATR Vibrators 551
Anaconda Wire 547
Arvin Sears radios & TV's 248
Astatic Phono cartridges 345
Belden Wire 579
Bell Amps 708
Bogen Amps 589
BIC British imports 409
Cannon Connectors 440
Cinch Sockets, connectors 139
Collins Radio gear 439
Connector Corp Sockets, connectors 888
Consolidated Wire 607
Crosley Radios 152
Drake RF gear 851
DuKane (Operadio) Amps 252
Eby Sockets 160
Empire Phono cartridges 452
Essex Wire 175
Gates RF gear 187
General Cement Adhesives, Testor's paint 396
General Radio Test Equip 194
Hallicrafters  Ham & SW gear 199
Hammarlund Ham & SW gear 201
Harmon-Kardon Hi-fi gear 794
Hickok Test Equip 508
International Rectifier Semiconductors 845
Jackson Tube Testers 216
E F Johnson Sockets, ham xcvrs 222
Kester Solder 224
Keystone Hardware 699
Lenz Wire 228
Littelfuse Fuses 230
McIntosh Hifi gear 793
Methode Connectors 720
James Millen Sockets 242
Muntz Cheap TV's 772
National Co Ham & SW gear, hifi 245
Newcomb Amps 437
Packard Bell TV's radios computers 254
Philco Radios & TV's 260
Philmore Hardware 262
Pickering (Stanton) Phono cartridges 631
Pilot Hifi tuners & amps 264
Pioneer Cheap recievers 706
Precision (Grommes) Hifi & PA amps 871
Radio Craftsmen Hifi gear 275
J P Seeburg Jukeboxes 289
Shure Brothers Phono carts, mics 590
Mark Simpson (MASCO) PA Amps 295
Simpson Electric Meters 614
Sonotone Phono cartridges 787
Tetrad Phono cartridges 842
Triplett Test equipment 321
Wells-Gardner Monkey Wards radios 334
Weston Test Equipment 338
Zenith Radios & TV's 343


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37#

最靓声的5751.

他和TFK坑屏,Mullard,amperex ECC83比,大获全胜。
他中频厚度和高频延伸远胜RCA 三云母 黑屏 方换 5751
他分析力绝对超群,高频顺华细腻,去的很尽。
他中频厚润丰满,听人声靓到能杀人。
他低频下潜深而有力,音场定位准确稳健
他动态极佳,声音纯净无染
他比起ECC83的软,松,较朦胧的音场定位-----------所谓的味道,显得高贵而纯洁。
他无论听人声,流行,还是交响,全胜ECC83.
他唯一的不足是音场稍稍考前一点点.(不仔细听完全感觉不到)

他就是:
Sylvania 黄字、闪电标、三云母、黑屏、方换、普通脚、5751WA、Date Code 56,57年
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如今国内二手ECC83被抄到几百块一支的离谱价格,区区几十块RMB的二手Sylvania 5751(美国NOS叫价US$60一支),却能完胜。

强烈建议有米或是无米的胆友,不要在找什么ECC83了,搞几只这种5751听听,决不会后悔。

补充一句,前几天我推荐此管,现如今已经买完了。
多留意材料网,如今后再有出现,决不要放过他。

关于,美国胆管的厂牌年期的鉴别,见下文。
最后编辑ericfdai
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38#

西门子有很多厂家OEM的,声音不同。
最好买德国原厂出品的最好。
TFK的金脚E88CC稍好些。
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39#

Fever兄:

Sylvania 黄字、闪电标、三云母、黑屏、方换、普通脚、5751WA、Date Code 56,57年
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这种5751我订了两支,可惜一支是坏的。另外一支略有microphone效应。
昨天联系了十几家国内JS,这种管找不到了!
不知香港和广州能否淘的到。
Fever兄能否帮忙找找看,NOS或二手的都可以。

在此多谢了!
最后编辑ericfdai
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40#

胆管通报:
Sylvania,RCA 三云母片黑屏方环5751,60一支.有十几只。
http://shop.valveart.net/dispbbs.asp?boardID=27&RootID=3342&ID=3342&skin=0
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