最新报告: 试听新B&W 801D [复制链接]

B&W 801D，看不懂鸡肠的没有资格享受！

不管人们如何诽谤,B&W确实以其强大的科研能力与出色的市场运做,成为新英国声的代表. 新800 D系列更是把喇叭性能推上新高峰! 相比之下老英国声LS3/5,TANNOY,KEF等其实是有音染(暖色WARM)在当时条件下,其他器材尤其是录音和音源技术的局限下,这种声音是好听的,因为它掩盖了音源和系统中的不足,但现在伴随数码科技和电脑的发展SACD,DVD-A的发展时代需要的是新的如实还原声音的高科技喇叭. 现在我对比过这些喇叭后毫不犹豫的选择B&W.  




              

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01-17-2005, 08:43 AM #247 (2)
tmt
Junior Member


Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 26 803D hmmm

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This Saturday I went to a dealer to listen to the 803Ds.
These things are really HUGE. they dwarfed the old 802s that were standing besides them.

I could compare the new 803D to the old 802, unfortunately they were not connected to the same equipment.
The 803Ds were driven by a clasé CA201 amp, a Thule PR350B pre-amp and a marantz sacd/dvd player.
The 802s were on the new Rotel RSP-1098 pre-amp and RMB1075 amp, with a rotel dvd player.
For surround listening an "old" HTM1 and 804s were driven by a Thule PA350.

They both sounded very good, but very different. It was like listening to speakers of different brands.
I wasn't instantly blown away by the sound the new nautilus offered. They sounded a tiny bit like speakers.
Of cource the 803Ds are only in use for half a week so they are most likely not entirely broken in yet.
The highs to mid-ends on the 803Ds do sound incredible detailed and lifelike, in comparison the 802 sounds a bit muffled.
This only shows how good the new diamond tweater and other refinements really are!
In SACD surround mode the differences between the HTM1 and the 803Ds are clearly audible. The HTM is very good, but the 803Ds are just that better.
The 802s low-end is still a LOT better, it goes into subwoofer levels (you can feel the punch in your stomach) but when it's going really low you can hear the wind blowing through the flowport at the bottom.

In my opinion the full potential of the new diamond tweeter can only be used when playing SACD or 24/96 DTS sources, which go higher than the 20kHz cutoff that cd offers. Using ordinairy cds is like driving a ferrari only in first gear.

Many people are hoping that the 803D will be the new 802 (pricewise).
But I doubt if they will ever reach the low end of the old 802.
(Therefore it's really tempting to buy a pair of demo 802s, which would cost me the same as the new 803D)

The dealer mentioned that the new 802D will be the best speaker price/performance-wise of the new range.
"It's already better than the old 800" he said , which in his eyes makes it a super bargain, considering it costs 12.000 compared to 18.000 for the old 800.
I admit he is a B&W adept so he could be a bit biased
But he knows what he's talkin about. A few months ago was able to sneak in the test laboratory in Belgium (which normally is totally off-limits) where all new nautilus models get there final tweaking and approval by the Belgian importer before being released.

In the end considering the price they cost I'm not entirely convinced yet. More testing required...

试听802D!


01-28-2005, 01:36 PM    #307 (27)  
tmt
Junior Member


Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Belgium
Posts: 26  the 802D kicks ass!

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A few hours ago I strolled into the local hifi store in Brussels for some cables. They had the new 802D in demo and when the manager asked if I would like to listen to it I didn't have to think twice.

Setup:
802D
some pre-amp I have never seen in my life (sorry)
marantz cd player
2 CAM-350 monoblocks
monster cable

he put on some classical music to get started. Very nice.
Then he put in a jazz cd and put on a track that had 2 contrabasses playing. Unbelievably real! You could hear everything these instruments were producing. There was a guy in the store that plays the contrabas and he couldn't believe his ears.
I asked the manager what he would choose when he could have an old N800 or a new 802D. He just smiled and pointed to the 802. (the store has the old N800 on sale for $11.000 so that's the same price as a new 802D)
He also put on a jazz cd with a woman singing. As lifelike as the contrabasses.


now I need to block this experience from my memory and go out and buy these second hand 802s

我对新的N802D，也是非常感兴趣，去年本来打算买N802的，可是听说要出新系列，就开始等了。不过，看到了N802D，感觉它的做工不如原来好了，尤其是跟N800比，感觉略微粗糙了些。

最新试听803D:不听不知道一听下一跳!先听采用B&W签名版技术的新803S,绝对很好,可是听过了新803D再回来听803S才发现问题, 作者说803D是他唯一听过的把"咝"发音正确的喇叭,栩栩如生,听803S才发现803S的高音夸大了,因为恰如其分的高音所以中音的许多细节在803D上才能听出来.喇叭的平衡性多重要! 低音用了3个7寸单元比803S更多能量和控制力.

james_dmi
Junior Member


Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: London
Posts: 22  Had a long demo of the 803S and 803D yesterday at Grahams HifI London.

803S – Compared to old 803 it looks a little smaller but after measuring both it’s because the 803S is a little fatter and deeper but the same height, making it look like its shorter. Sound quality is noticeable better even though the new speakers are not fully run in yet. Every aspect of the sound just has that little bit more: Bass faster and ever so slightly deeper, midrange seams just a bit more open, treble had a tiny bit more energy but I think that will change when run in more, it also seamed to have more detail and slightly less grain in the upper registers.

803D – This speaker looks so cool in the flesh. Its slightly wider and deeper then the 803S and quite a bit taller. The tweeter body is longer and finished in the shinny material used on the marlin heads of the 802 and up, while the 803S has a plastic tweeter head. With the covers off those triple base drivers give the speaker a more aggressive look but this is not at all how they sound. I was concentrating on the treble at first eager to see what the diamond tweeters would sound like. The first thing I noticed was that the very high treble output was slightly down compared to the 803S but in no way was there less detail. In fact I found it even easer to hear what the drummer was doing with his symbols with this speaker. I wasn’t sure which output level was right until I heard voices then I was sold. This is the first speaker I have ever heard that gets its “s”es just right. They are not exaggerated in any way but just sounds like real humans do. I had thought the 803S controlled its sibilance just right but when we switched back it’s was no competition the 803D just does it in such a natural way. The mid-band is very similar but because you are not distracted by any high level over emphasis you hear a lot more. When I switched back to the 803S again I could hear all the new stuff that I had heard on the 803D mid-band it’s just that I had missed it the first time. The 803D also sound a lot bigger I don’t think they have any more base extension but there is more power in the bass.

The system was set up to replicate my home system and consisted of:

Arcam fmj CD33 CD player
Arcam fmj C30 Pre-Amp
2 * Arcam fmj P35 Power Amps bi-amping
QED XT400 speaker cables.

The P35 is 100W per channel amp and is not known for having massive current reserves. For stereo listening at loud but comfortable levels the bi-amp combo had no problems controlling the 803S the 803D was also well controlled up to loudish levels (as loud as I would ever use them) but the base did seem to get a bit more flabby when you turned them up while the 803S was still in control. For movie use I would say you would need more amp power to drive the 803D’s but fortunately that is not a priority for me.

新802D的效果超越老的 N800. "当我问这间店的老板如果给他选新的802D和老 N800他会选那个他毫不犹豫的说802D"...."我播放JAZZ的时候,有个玩低音大提提琴的家伙碰巧在这里,他简直无法相信自己的耳朵,你能听清每各乐器的演奏.."

同意.

N805和805S一比就没法听了.

jonesy805
Junior Member


Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 6   N805 Vs. 805(S)

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Hey Recruit. I am new to the site as well. I have the same problem as you do. I have owned a pair of N805's for about a year and a half and I actually love them. I mean really, whats not to love.

The new 805(S) arrived at my local dealer last week and I have been listening to them every day after work for the last 6 days for one hour each session. I absolutely love them. After listening to the new 805's at my dealer I listen for at least another hour at home with my current N805's. My opinions are as follows:

- The new 805(S) are not miles better than the old N805 but they have a more life like sound. I noticed that the bottom end is a little more tune full but the extention is roughly the same. I was listenting to some big bass jazz tracks and I notice that the bass had a little more body on the new 805(S)version. This could be attributed to the new crossover and stiffer box. The tweeter is a little faster and sounds more open. Less treble harshness is also apparent. Not to say that the old N805 is harsh. The source components that I was using at my dealer was the new Classe CDP100 and the CAP 2100.
They are a great match for the B&W's. I guess that's why B&W bought Classe. I was fortunate that the dealer had a pair of the old N805's in the same listening room so I could compare them back to back every day for my hour long listening sessions.

When I go home after leaving the dealer it seems that my old N805's sound better every time. I never once felt that I would be missing out if I didn't decide to upgrade.

After pondering on the the differences I have decided to give the New 805(S) a try. So I will be trading in my old pair. I hope I don't regret it. I still love the original N805.

My advise to anyone out there thinking about upgrading. If you can get a used pair for $1000 less than a new pair of $3500 805(S), I would suggest that route instead of upgrading. Spend the money you save on a good power cord for your source components. Hope this helps you in your decision.

My components are:
Arcam CD 23T
Arcam A22
Audioquest Python Cables.

根据最新报告,新的803D都比老的N802强得多.

新805S才比老的贵$500但是才用SIGNATURE技术比老SIGNATURE的$3500便宜$1000美元!
02-07-2005, 04:58 PM    #336 (21)  
jonesy805
Junior Member


Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 6  I picked up my new pair of 805(S) on Friday evening. It's true what everyone is saying about them sounding better than the N805's right out of the box. I ran them in for the entire weekend non stop. When I went to bed Friday night I put my CD player on repeat. When I got up Sturday morning I couldn't wait to change the CD and continue to listen while I was making breakfast. I would recommend to anyone who is considering buying the new series to take them home to demo them if your dealer will let you.

Right out of the box they sounded allot better at home than the demo pair I was listening to at the dealer. I guess the room at the dealers store was bad for acoustics. Well any way let's cut to the chase.

By Sunday night I could already hear the difference from Friday night. The (S) tweeter is very open. On Friday I would say that the tweeter was laid back but by Sunday night That was no longer a true statement. I noticed in some earlier reviews people were going to purchase these babies for rears. It must be nice to be able to afford these for rears. I would recommned listening to them in a two channel situation before you allocate them to the rear channels. Just to hear what they are cable of. You will be amazed.

Because of the speed of the new 805(S) they can disappear easier than it's predecessor. I can see why B&W says it out performs the Signature model. It has more control in the top end. With the new crossover you will find the new 805(S) more likable, tuneful, and fast in the lower regions. You will also notice that the new model has more air around the instruments and vocals especially when playing jazz.

This speaker makes me want to buy more expensive gear to drive them. As good as my Arcam FMJ setup is, I would love to hear them with The new Classe CDP 100 and CAP 2100 in my living room.

They just keep getting better and better.

So far my dealer only has the (S) models of the new range. Stay tuned for my review of the diamond models once they get in. Let me know if you have a particular model that you want me to listen to for a second opinion if you like. I walk by my dealers store on my way home from work every day.

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